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MesorahA mitzvah forgotten for 1,500 years shouldn’t be revived.Rabbi Mois Navon, Rabbi Eli Mansour2A mitzvah forgotten for 1,500 years shouldn’t be revived.
MesorahA Negative Mesorah?4A Negative Mesorah?
Linguistic MeaningAre linguistic proofs for Murex too broad to be reliable?Chosem Shel Zahav1Are linguistic proofs for Murex too broad to be reliable?
Creature IdentityBody Like the Sea, Form Like Fish, Once in 70 Years1Body Like the Sea, Form Like Fish, Once in 70 Years
Linguistic MeaningChilazon Can’t Mean Snail if Shavlilta Means Snail3Chilazon Can’t Mean Snail if Shavlilta Means Snail
Color, Creature IdentityChilazon Needs to be the Color of the Sea1Chilazon Needs to be the Color of the Sea
Creature IdentityChilazon Shaking Violently Before It’s Death2Chilazon Shaking Violently Before It’s Death
Color, Dyeing Process, Gufo Domeh L'YamColor of the Blood – Black7Color of the Blood – Black
Melachos on ShabbosCutting Chilazon during extraction violates netilas neshama or gozezRabbi Eliyahu Tavger, Rabbi Yisroel BarkinRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles2Cutting Chilazon during extraction violates netilas neshama or gozez
The Loss of TecheilesDid Murex use end when Techeiles did?1Did Murex use end when Techeiles did?
Linguistic MeaningDo broad words like tolaas or limtza rule out Murex?Chosem Shel Zahav1Do broad words like tolaas or limtza rule out Murex?
Creature IdentityDoes the Murex snail have גידים ועצמות as described in the Yerushalmi?1Does the Murex snail have גידים ועצמות as described in the Yerushalmi?
Creature IdentityDoes this snail come ashore once in seventy years, as Chazal say the חלזון does?1Does this snail come ashore once in seventy years, as Chazal say the חלזון does?
Creature Identity, Melachos on ShabbosDoes Tosafos Prove the Chilazon Must Thrash?Tosafos Shabbos 75a “HaTzad Chilazon”1Does Tosafos Prove the Chilazon Must Thrash?
ColorDoes תכלת need to be a specific shade of blue in order to be Kosher?1Does תכלת need to be a specific shade of blue in order to be Kosher?
Linguistic MeaningDoesn’t Purpura simply mean purple? Why are they mentioned in Techeiles?2Doesn’t Purpura simply mean purple? Why are they mentioned in Techeiles?
Creature IdentityGedolim Holding of Radzyner Techeiles2Gedolim Holding of Radzyner Techeiles
ColorHow are the color properties of the murex trunculus Techeiles?1How are the color properties of the murex trunculus Techeiles?
Creature Identity, Min Mutar BefichaHow can a non-kosher creature be used for a ?מצוהRabbi Yisroel Rosenberg5How can a non-kosher creature be used for a ?מצוה
Creature Identity, Melachos on ShabbosHow can the Melocho of Tzad צד – Trapping – apply to the Murex?Rabbi Mois Navon, Dr. Israel Irving HaCohen Ziderman     9How can the Melocho of Tzad צד – Trapping – apply to the Murex?
Creature Identity, Melachos on ShabbosHow can the Melocho of דש – Extraction – apply to the Murex snail?2How can the Melocho of דש – Extraction – apply to the Murex snail?
Linguistic MeaningHow does Rashi Say a Chilazon is a Snail or a Worm?Old French for Limtza meaning Snail, Radak, Sefer HaShorashim Letter ח7How does Rashi Say a Chilazon is a Snail or a Worm?
Gufo Domeh L'YamHow does the Murex Trunculus Snail look like the sea?1How does the Murex Trunculus Snail look like the sea?
Dyeing ProcessHow Expensive was the DyeRabbi Mois Navon2How Expensive was the Dye
Creature Identity, Gufo Domeh L'YamHow is Chilazon a Snail? It’s a Fish!Dr. Israel Irving HaCohen Ziderman     , Ludwig LewysohnJohannes David Michaelis on Chilazon being a Cuttlefish15How is Chilazon a Snail? It’s a Fish!
MesorahIf the Murex is wrong, wearing it is a berachah levatalah.Rabbi Mois Navon1If the Murex is wrong, wearing it is a berachah levatalah.
MesorahIf there would be only a doubt, is there still an obligation to perform a ?מצוה1If there would be only a doubt, is there still an obligation to perform a ?מצוה
MesorahIs a Mesorah (direct tradition) required for the identification of the ?חלזוןHaRav Chaim Yisroel Belsky ZT”L3Is a Mesorah (direct tradition) required for the identification of the ?חלזון
Color, Creature IdentityIs Murex Really the Source of Argaman?1Is Murex Really the Source of Argaman?
Color, Dyeing ProcessIs there a concern with wearing ציצית dyed with incorrect or invalid blue dye?1Is there a concern with wearing ציצית dyed with incorrect or invalid blue dye?
KabbalaKabbalistic concerns link Kala Ilan to impurity (Sitra Achra).Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger, Rabbi Yisroel BarkinRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles1Kabbalistic concerns link Kala Ilan to impurity (Sitra Achra).
MesorahMesorah on Shade of Blue, How Many Strings1Mesorah on Shade of Blue, How Many Strings
Melachos on ShabbosMifkad Pakid (non-Circulatory Blood)Rabbi Yisroel Rosenberg3Mifkad Pakid (non-Circulatory Blood)
Creature Identity, Dyeing ProcessMurex dye remains viable post-mortem, contradicting the Gemara.Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger, Rabbi Yisroel BarkinRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles1Murex dye remains viable post-mortem, contradicting the Gemara.
Creature IdentityMurex Historical Sources vs Torah Descriptions of the Chilazon0Murex Historical Sources vs Torah Descriptions of the Chilazon
Creature Identity, Dyeing ProcessMurex Mucus isn’t BloodRabbi Yisroel BarkinRabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles3Murex Mucus isn’t Blood
Dyeing ProcessMust Sammemanim be mixed with the blood?Rabbi Yisroel Rosenberg1Must Sammemanim be mixed with the blood?
Creature IdentityNartik Doesn’t Mean Shell1Nartik Doesn’t Mean Shell
MesorahNo Gedolim wear it, so neither should weRabbi Mois Navon3No Gedolim wear it, so neither should we
MesorahOnce Techeiles got lost, we can’t revive itHaRav Chaim Yisroel Belsky ZT”LCan We Identify the Techeiles?3Once Techeiles got lost, we can’t revive it
Safek Midroraissa LeChumraRabbinic uncertainty – a Safek – means it’s safer not to wear Techeiles.Rabbi Mois Navon, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger, Rabbi Yisroel BarkinRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles2Rabbinic uncertainty – a Safek – means it’s safer not to wear Techeiles.
The Loss of TecheilesSanhedrin 12a Doesn’t Talk about TecheilesBen Yehoyada – Sanhedrin 12a on Zug ba MiRekes1Sanhedrin 12a Doesn’t Talk about Techeiles
Creature IdentityShould Rishonim’s words on metzius override observed reality?Rabbi Yisroel Rosenberg1Should Rishonim’s words on metzius override observed reality?
Linguistic MeaningSince each proof has a possible weakness, does the Murex case collapse?Chosem Shel Zahav1Since each proof has a possible weakness, does the Murex case collapse?
Creature Identity, Min Mutar BefichaTecheiles from a Non-Kosher CreatureNoda BiYehuda Orach Chaim Siman 34Techeiles from a Non-Kosher Creature
Techeiles vs. Kala IlanTecheiles Lasts1Techeiles Lasts
Techeiles vs. Kala IlanTecheiles Taking Well to Many Materials1Techeiles Taking Well to Many Materials
KabbalaThe Arizal’s statement on the Mitzva of Techeiles during the time of the Beis HamikdashRabbi Mois Navonשער הכוונות – דרושי ציצית דרוש ד – AR”I Shaar Hakavanos – Drushei Tzitzis – Drush 4 – Techeiles, שער הכוונות/דרושי ציצית/כל – AR”I’s Shaar Hakavanos – Drushei Tzitzis – All2The Arizal’s statement on the Mitzva of Techeiles during the time of the Beis Hamikdash
Kabbala, Techeiles vs. Kala IlanThe Ben Ish Chai is Against Modern TecheilesRabbi Yisroel BarkinRabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer1The Ben Ish Chai is Against Modern Techeiles
ColorThe blue from Murex isn’t genuine Techeiles; it looks like kala ilan (indigo).Rabbi Mois Navon, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin, Rabbi Eliyahu TavgerRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles2The blue from Murex isn’t genuine Techeiles; it looks like kala ilan (indigo).
Dyeing ProcessThe Chemical Tests Don’t Work!Rabbi Yisroel Barkin, Rabbi Eliyahu TavgerRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles6The Chemical Tests Don’t Work!
The Loss of TecheilesThe Chilazon can’t be found since Techeiles is NignazRabbi Eliyahu Tavger, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin, HaRav Chaim Yisroel Belsky ZT”LRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles4The Chilazon can’t be found since Techeiles is Nignaz
Color, Dyeing ProcessThe color from Murex isn’t permanentRabbi Mois Navon1The color from Murex isn’t permanent
Dyeing ProcessThe dyeing process2The dyeing process
Creature IdentityThe Hillazon described in the Gemara doesn’t match the Murex trunculus.Rabbi Mois Navon1The Hillazon described in the Gemara doesn’t match the Murex trunculus.
Melachos on ShabbosThe Melacha of Potzea Doesn’t Apply to the Murex3The Melacha of Potzea Doesn’t Apply to the Murex
MesorahThe Radzyner Rebbe already tried and failed; this is the same.Rabbi Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer, Rabbi Mois Navon3The Radzyner Rebbe already tried and failed; this is the same.
How to Tie, The Loss of TecheilesThere’s no clear halachic procedure to tie Techeiles today.Rabbi Mois Navon, Dr. Israel Irving HaCohen Ziderman     , Rabbi Hershel Schachter2There’s no clear halachic procedure to tie Techeiles today.
Color, MesorahTzitzis being Only WhiteRabbi Yisroel Barkin, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger, Rabbi Mois NavonRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles3Tzitzis being Only White
Bal Tosif or Bal TigraUsing more than one thread of Techeiles violates “Bal Tosif.”Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin, HaRav Chaim Yisroel Belsky ZT”LRabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles – To Mendel Singer, Rabbi Eliyahu Tavger Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, Rabbi Yisroel Barkin Response to Rabbi Shlomo Miller on Techeiles, R’ Mordechai Willig – Techeiles that’s Meakev the Lavan2Using more than one thread of Techeiles violates “Bal Tosif.”
Creature Identity, Melachos on ShabbosUsing Nets for Trapping1Using Nets for Trapping
Creature IdentityVague Terminologies Describing Techeiles – Once in 70 YearsHaRav Chaim Yisroel Belsky ZT”L, Dr. Israel Irving HaCohen Ziderman     , Rabbi Bentzion Halberstam, Rabbi Yisroel Rosenberg4Vague Terminologies Describing Techeiles – Once in 70 Years
NignazWasn’t the חלזון hidden away – ?נגנז3Wasn’t the חלזון hidden away – ?נגנז
Creature IdentityWhat does “It’s body is similar to the sea, and the sea is similar to the sky” “Gufo Domeh L’Yam” mean?Rabbi Yisroel Rosenberg1What does “It’s body is similar to the sea, and the sea is similar to the sky” “Gufo Domeh L’Yam” mean?
Color, Linguistic MeaningWhat’s the color of Techeiles?1What’s the color of Techeiles?
Color, Dyeing ProcessWhen does the Dye Deteriorate1When does the Dye Deteriorate
Location of ChilazonWhere is the Chilazon caught?Rabbi Yisroel Rosenbergחלזון – מטפחת ספרים – R’ Yaakov Emden Mitpachas Sefarim on Chilazon3Where is the Chilazon caught?
Creature Identity, Gufo Domeh L'YamWhere is the Dam – Blood – stored?1Where is the Dam – Blood – stored?
Creature IdentityWhich Rishonim wrote on the Chilazon being a Snail?Rabbi Gershom Baraza, Rabbi Dovid Aronin7Which Rishonim wrote on the Chilazon being a Snail?
Creature Identity, Gufo Domeh L'YamWhy do Chazal state “its form is similar to a fish”?2Why do Chazal state “its form is similar to a fish”?
Color, Creature IdentityWhy is it that the Murex snail is often cited as the source for purple dye?1Why is it that the Murex snail is often cited as the source for purple dye?
Creature Identity, Dyeing ProcessWhy is the source of the dye referred to as דם , if in fact it is mucus-like fluid?1Why is the source of the dye referred to as דם , if in fact it is mucus-like fluid?
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